creativity killed in schools

[oLdbOi]

this is worth watching...some very valid points, spoken by Ken Robinson
the arts, be it dance, music does have a place in the schools!
njOi

oLdbOi

[mrClaypole]

Independant learning has been abolished also. Now kids are just given answers to exam questions with no encouragment to find out anything themselves. I also think its wrong that kids are taught to use computers before they are taught to write with a pen.
I think its been getting steadily worse for 30 years. I personally was a nightmare at school as I would question everything I was being told, especially in Religious education, I was always disputing the work of fiction that is the bible to the point I was asked not too attend anymore lessons. I got to do extra Art instead.

[Soul Adventurer]

Originally Posted by oLdbOi

this is worth watching...some very valid points, spoken by Ken Robinson
the arts, be it dance, music does have a place in the schools!
njOi

oLdbOi

That's an excellent talk and I agree with him. Saying that, schools would have to radically change in order to really incorporate creativity in every subject. Creativity by nature is dynamic, fluid and unpredictable, the way we're taught in schools (even today) is in most cases the complete opposite. I'm not knocking education per se but in terms of music, history shows that you stand to learn more outside of music academia than within.

[Soul Adventurer]

Originally Posted by mrClaypole

Independant learning has been abolished also. Now kids are just given answers to exam questions with no encouragment to find out anything themselves. I also think its wrong that kids are taught to use computers before they are taught to write with a pen.
I think its been getting steadily worse for 30 years. I personally was a nightmare at school as I would question everything I was being told, especially in Religious education, I was always disputing the work of fiction that is the bible to the point I was asked not too attend anymore lessons. I got to do extra Art instead.

I was looking for a quote by John Taylor Gatto, a former teacher who has done a lot of work on much the same lines as Sir Ken Robinson. I found this quote from Frank Zappa which again I agree with:

[mrClaypole]

Originally Posted by Soul Adventurer

I was looking for a quote by John Taylor Gatto, a former teacher who has done a lot of work on much the same lines as Sir Ken Robinson. I found this quote from Frank Zappa which again I agree with:

Great words from Zappa there, I'd never heard that interview before.

Conditioning and learning starts when you start to buy your children toys. Now just looking around your average toy shop, I see that most toys are setting children up for a life of servitude. How many shop sets do you see now?, how many black and dekker work benches are now being produced by manufacturers, not to mention the toy drills, screwdriver sets that go with it.
On the female side, you can still buy your homemaker sets, your tea sets, your false microwaves.

None of these toys actually teach kids how to create, they just teach them the basic rules of using tools, or how to take money off someone in a shop.
Failing that, theres always toy guns for the children who may have to get used to fighting in a war one day.

The sad thing is, I have cousins who are under ten, they know how to paint in some preset picture on a Mac book, but theyve never drawn a picture by themselves using pens or paints, Im worried that creativity will just be left upto the odd coporations who need a semi literate cog to fill in the colours.

Once creativity goes. The world is going to be more uglier.

[KGB_I_was_NOT]

Brunito, I hope you don't mind me nicking the vid for my facebook?

[oLdbOi]

Originally Posted by KGB_I_was_NOT

Brunito, I hope you don't mind me nicking the vid for my facebook?

Lol...Brunito...not at all.. Nick away

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[Soul Adventurer]

Originally Posted by mrClaypole

Great words from Zappa there, I'd never heard that interview before.

Conditioning and learning starts when you start to buy your children toys. Now just looking around your average toy shop, I see that most toys are setting children up for a life of servitude. How many shop sets do you see now?, how many black and dekker work benches are now being produced by manufacturers, not to mention the toy drills, screwdriver sets that go with it.
On the female side, you can still buy your homemaker sets, your tea sets, your false microwaves.

None of these toys actually teach kids how to create, they just teach them the basic rules of using tools, or how to take money off someone in a shop.
Failing that, theres always toy guns for the children who may have to get used to fighting in a war one day.

The sad thing is, I have cousins who are under ten, they know how to paint in some preset picture on a Mac book, but theyve never drawn a picture by themselves using pens or paints, Im worried that creativity will just be left upto the odd coporations who need a semi literate cog to fill in the colours.

Once creativity goes. The world is going to be more uglier.

In short, most of us are educated to be consumers rather than creators. Also, the most rebellious, the ones who are branded disruptive, troublemakers etc are often the ones with the greatest potential - if it was tapped into by the sytem. It's time schools started teaching young people how to create work for themselves because they can't just walk into jobs as before. But it's not always much different at University level, they also don't adequately prepare students for a career. I love learning but I think it's wise to be aware of the inherent limits in the education system, otherwise it can be very frustrating.

Here's a great quote:

“When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was
the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down “happy”. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life.” ~ John Lennon

[PIXI]

Well at the early end of a school career every child gets one whole hour of Child initiated learning every day. Nor are they taught to use a pc before we teach writing. Mark making is highly important and boys especially are encouraged to 'write down' their ideas.