The Big Question this a.m. poverty

[nephertiti]

Just had the unfortunate position of watching the TV (best avoided) this morning.....HOW an people sit on the TV and say there is no poverty in this country...Horrible man from the Sunday Mail...then people clap...it is truly shameful....

Then a lady - a single parent who has been homeless tells her story and there is a posh lady in the back shaking her head in denial....

Hopefully they have selected people who are polarised ... but this kind of public denial of what is really happening is obscene .....and has happened before....

[mrClaypole]

You only have to look around to see that there is poverty in the country, you dont have to look far. The trouble is with these TV debates they choose pundits who live in the nicer parts of london and have a totally blinkered opinion of the outside world. Their idea of poverty is not being able to buy that champagne from Waitrose.
Ive seen real poverty, I used to help out once a week at a soup kitchen in Birmingham and Ive seen people at the lowest you can put them on the scale. They werent all drug addicts either, some had really respectable lives but through no fault of their own theyve slipped through the cracks in society and ended up were they have.
There was one guy who used to be a lawyer and he developed depresion and couldnt cope with everyday things, like paying bills and keeping a relationship going, he said that one day after he had let everything slide to the point he lost his house, he packed up some warm clothes and took to the street.
He was an interesting person to talk too, he had it all, the posh house, the finest food to eat, a great wife, but he couldnt cope.
He used to advise the others on legal matters at the soup kitchen.

I should really start doing the soup kitchen again, I know how bad things can get, if I hadnt have moved back in with my Mum (pro tem) last year I wouldve ended up on the streets. I have alot to be thankful for and have seen hell, luckily I have the support network, some people dont and end up living at the lowest rung.

I take no notice of the Islington media hacks when they talk about poverty, they have no idea of what its like and will never experience that feeling of worthlessness that you feel when you are on the streets.

[JB40]

Didn,t watch that show neph, can't, stand Micky Campbell. But some people don,t see to know what poverty actually means. Just because someone has a big hd tv, or a microwave, it doesn,t mean they are NOT living in poverty. These items are cheap these days because they are made by children with malnutrition in an even more poverty stricken part of the world.

The real problem is poverty of ambition, or education, or culture. Thatcher destroyed working class culture when she destroyed manufacturing industry. That destroyed the support network for working people. Leaving the new unemployed ( created by global manufacturing) with no future and without a decent education. The window of opportunity to better ourselves has been slammed shut, and wages have been driven down. In the meantime, the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer.

[snekimujer]

Poor people ar e far more smarter to survive than rich people, when they start losing it all they get depressed.
A poor person just hugs his ways and try to find a safe path again...not eager to give it all up.
Poor people exactly know the meaning of respect, love and hope...because these three are tools to survive...

nice monday ye all

[oLdbOi]

Poor people exactly know the meaning of respect, love and hope...because these three are tools to survive...

Absalutely.... Words of wisdom Snekimujer

oLdbOi

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[nephertiti]

Exactly what you all said ...

As CP said...There is poverty here ....It is when you have seen it/lived it that you appreciate anything you get .... and as Snek & OB said above....it is the people who have had who suffer most when they lose it ...when u have been at the bottom u apprectiate what you have

Dangerous situation though...isn't it when there is such denial? Hideous man said the bishops used "children in poverty" s propoganda...

It is not propganda ...children are..fully dependent on their parent/carers so yes they are vulnerable..

Someone who is a teacher at a school across the road said they spend time in the teachers room disussing how they can ensure the children are fed at lunchtime....THIS IS REALITY

As JB said it is now a different type of working/not working cause there are jobs class ...... that has been created ...no support networks...

This Tory situation is going to take us back to 18th centuary Britain...i.e. looking around we shall see those who have been taken off benefits develop a gaunt look , have separate charity hospitals ...and do really unhealthy jobs , living in unhealthy conditions

It is simply uncivilised

[ratcatcher]

Originally Posted by JB40

Didn,t watch that show neph, can't, stand Micky Campbell. But some people don,t see to know what poverty actually means. Just because someone has a big hd tv, or a microwave, it doesn,t mean they are NOT living in poverty. These items are cheap these days because they are made by children with malnutrition in an even more poverty stricken part of the world.

The real problem is poverty of ambition, or education, or culture. Thatcher destroyed working class culture when she destroyed manufacturing industry. That destroyed the support network for working people. Leaving the new unemployed ( created by global manufacturing) with no future and without a decent education. The window of opportunity to better ourselves has been slammed shut, and wages have been driven down. In the meantime, the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer.

I appreciate the what happened to the label must have left quite a dent in the pocket wallet but successful musicians do have a reputation for earning excessive incomes?

Therefore is there not a little irony in your last statement?

[ratcatcher]

Originally Posted by snekimujer

Poor people ar e far more smarter to survive than rich people, when they start losing it all they get depressed.
A poor person just hugs his ways and try to find a safe path again...not eager to give it all up.
Poor people exactly know the meaning of respect, love and hope...because these three are tools to survive...

nice monday ye all

That'll explain the UK riots last summer then? It was respect, love and hope that motivated them.

[oLdbOi]

Originally Posted by ratcatcher

That'll explain the UK riots last summer then? It was respect, love and hope that motivated them.

think the motivation was the gunshot in Tottenham and everyone jumped in on it...

oLdbOi

[ratcatcher]

Originally Posted by oLdbOi

think the motivation was the gunshot in Tottenham and everyone jumped in on it...

oLdbOi

That explains what initially happened in Tottenham but not Curry's in manchester, a furniture shop in Croydon, a pub in Woolwich (torched by local white dudes) or a charity shop in Clapham.

That was theft and mayhem on a grand scale as a result of youths realising the lack of police response in Tottenham and figuring they could rampage unchallenged.